Yea, I thought so. . .so, NO, there's nothing new from the Pope about "re-marriage" and communion.
To wit: "Catholic doctrines are not altered by phone calls."
Ah, behold the cool, rational behavior of a secularist.
Justice is served.
On the necessity of silencing Christians: "tolerance" tolerates no opposition.
U.N. gives Iran a seat on its women's rights commission. . .good thing that the U.N. is an entirely useless entity.
"Defective fathers" deeply influence atheists.
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Justice is served.
On the necessity of silencing Christians: "tolerance" tolerates no opposition.
U.N. gives Iran a seat on its women's rights commission. . .good thing that the U.N. is an entirely useless entity.
"Defective fathers" deeply influence atheists.
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One thing I don't understand is that a bishop cannot minister in another diocese without permission of its bishop. And even then, such bishop cannot minister to a parishioner without his pastor's permission either. Though pope, Francis is still bound by the same law to follow it until it's changed, isn't he?
ReplyDeleteThen again, as pope, Francis is protected by the Holy Spirit from teaching error when speaking from the chair, but evidently not when speaking off the cuff.
Those are questions for a canonist. My first thought is that the Pope is the supreme legislator/judge/jury/executioner of canon law, so I'm guessing that his reach in these matters is nearly unlimited. Of course, he's bound by dogma, etc. but there's lots of room for prudential judgment outside de fide concerns. Even if the first account of this story is 100% true, there are about 567 steps in logic to the conclusion that his pastoral response to this woman applies universally.
DeleteDuring my 8-year walk back to a faith that I really did not know when I was young, there has been many such events (& currently I am grappling with in my town) that touched me personally that has left me bewildered, spiritually struggling and more and more distrustful of what to believe, to whom one can discuss these internal upheavals. The lack of consistent spiritual guidance and teaching of what is the faith and doctrine, has really had a negative impact on me, and sadly on a spouse who isn't even a Catholic and has been heroic in what he has agreed to do without any support from the Catholic community or even out reach, let alone a call from a Pope or return call from a bishop or pastor ... The article that has been linked does not clear-up the matter and seems to highlight a level of disrespect or insensitivity to the local authorities, as highlighted by Augustine. If the quote from the Pope is accurate, that is the one regarding 'labeling' of pastors, how is that beneficial? It is pitting priest against priests, and I am so tired of it.
DeleteSorrowful, easy: the quote isn't accurate. It's a fourth-hand report of a phone call by someone who understands canon law about as well as a tube of chapstik.
DeleteOn the theory of defective fathers being a trait in the history of atheists is as disingenuous as the other psychological theories concocted about belief in God. Both come across to me as petty attempts at ridiculing and demonizing others by surreptitiously labeling them as mentally ill with a scientific stamp of approval, unworthy and uncharitable of those professing faith in God. History has plentiful examples that this is an unworthy route to pursue, like the Soviet hospices for recalcitrant anti-communists.
ReplyDeleteActually, it's not a "theory", it's a recurring fact, and a plausible one at that. I had heard about that Vitz book already and intend to read it, eventually.
DeleteRe going ape crazy professor...I have noticed these nature shows, which I used to enjoy, have replaced "theory" with talk like it was fact.
ReplyDeleteBut, ironically, there was a special re we came from apes, followed by we evolved from fish! They've proven it! So, where are all the fishy people to oppose this ape?
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I got it wrong. The theory is we came from fish then went to the apes. But there are still fish and ape people around. NOW, that used to be an insult... comparing someone to an ape except to that professor.
ReplyDeleteLudi, go away. I will not approve your ridiculous comments. Just. Go. Away. Geez, take a hint.
ReplyDeleteWhy did you call me Ludi? I said that in jest as it will get interesting because even in the evolution group, there is no consensus what they evolved from! But, ok, I will take a hint!
DeleteAnon., my apologies. I wasn't referring to you! I should not have posted my reply under your comment. I have a troll named Ludi who regularly tries to post dissenting comments and link to dissenting sites.
DeleteYou are most welcomed.
I see my mistake as it shows differently, responses, on my iPod! Plus, wearing my glasses helps too!:D
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Perhaps a typical non-Catholic and even some Catholics misunderstand Papal Infallibility such that they think the Pope can, through a simple phone call, change Church Teaching. They figure whatever this Pope says is law and if it conflicts with what the last Pope said, then so be it. The next Pope can change it if he wants, too.
ReplyDeleteProbably faithful Catholics and the clergy won't fall for that, but what concerns me is that they might take from this episode and others like it, that doctrine doesn't matter: that pastoral sensitivity trumps all. In fact, I think that is the default position for many priests and bishops and this will just reinforce it.
If the Church's teaching on marriage is "good news" then it should be possible to portray it completely and coherently with a smile on your face and the promise of assistance during a difficult time. But instead I've mostly seen swings between the strict sourpusses and loosey-goosey "who am I to judge?" attitudes among most people in charge (clergy and parish "Family Ministry" types).
Bernard, the Prog Dinosaurs who are applauding this faux-story want it to be true. In their world, wanting X to be true makes X true. There's no reasoning with them, no explanation will suffice, no amount of clarification will dissuade them if they imagine themselves getting what they want.
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