tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842286.post7277235515870701160..comments2024-02-26T09:30:54.111-06:00Comments on Domine, da mihi hanc aquam!: A bishop confronts the LCWR/media "outrage"Fr. Philip Powell, OPhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14970857401221305221noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842286.post-12981280059499626592012-06-14T20:25:20.679-05:002012-06-14T20:25:20.679-05:00European Catholics are always surprised by the Ame...European Catholics are always surprised by the American Catholic's sense of urgency when to come to all-things-heretical. They have a much more "we'll get to it" attitude than we do. The Vatican is in Rome for a reason: inefficiency has its spiritual benefits. IOW, haste makes spiritual waste. This is probably why we will never have an American pope! <br /><br />BXVI's program has been one of persuasion. . .not compromise, or endless dialogue. . .but more about affirming orthodoxy and encouraging dissidents to join the Cool People in the orthodox camp. Frankly, I don't think the LCWR-types have the intellectual tools to grasp orthodox thinking or the socio-cultural wherewithal to abandon their irrational fear and anger to join us. They are born and bred in their version of religious life to be modern narcissists.Fr. Philip Powell, OPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14970857401221305221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842286.post-55548874009342696912012-06-14T19:43:40.861-05:002012-06-14T19:43:40.861-05:00Those are wise comments, and I will try to take th...Those are wise comments, and I will try to take them to heart. But it seems like the Vatican and the Bishops charged with overseeing the LCWR could at least stop the bleeding. Excommunicating Sr Chittister is probably the nuclear option and won't bring people around -- though it might get her books out of my Parish's bookstore :( But at a minimum they can do what they have the power to do. I guess plane tickets have been purchased and booking fees have been paid for the upcoming conference. But is that more important than souls? I get it when the Bishops say they are powerless to keep Georgetown from inviting Sebelius to speak. I don't like it, but I understand that it's true. But the Bishops and the Vatican have the power to stop this and they aren't doing it. <br /><br />So my question stands. What is the CDF actually going to do? Time will tell, I guess. In the meantime, another renegade Catholic group is running wild. Dissident priests in Austria: no action. Dissident colleges in US: no action. Dissident religious orders: no action. With a record like that, why is the LCWR worried at all?GenXBenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15298459502431357489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842286.post-56234884026414003292012-06-14T14:09:26.188-05:002012-06-14T14:09:26.188-05:00Ben, as far as I know, the LCWR will have to get a...Ben, as far as I know, the LCWR will have to get approval for future speakers. Levada approved this year's speaker. . .probably b/c the details of the "receivership" hadn't been worked out yet. Who knows? <br /><br />Keep in mind: as much as faithful Catholics may want an Old-Fashioned Inquisition, that will never happen. The CDF is dealing with folks who have strayed from the faith in a big way and they have to find a way for them to come back or leave. Butt-kicking may be satisfying for the one doing the kicking, but it won't encourage conversion. . .only resentment and more rebellion.Fr. Philip Powell, OPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14970857401221305221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842286.post-33833048177830893642012-06-13T18:25:52.028-05:002012-06-13T18:25:52.028-05:00So what will the CDF actually do? They complain a...So what will the CDF actually do? They complain about speakers at the LCWR meetings, but they are letting the current crop speak, even after "the crackdown". I'm sure Cardinal Levada is getting ready to sign off on Nancy Pelosi as speaker at next year's meeting. Sounds like the same do-nothing approach that's been going on with the Legionaires of Christ.GenXBenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15298459502431357489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842286.post-27472076416544455232012-06-13T11:25:31.327-05:002012-06-13T11:25:31.327-05:00Oh, and keep in mind that ST only works as it shou...Oh, and keep in mind that ST only works as it should if there are no predetermined answers, no unchangeable truths. This is part of makes ST attractive to the LCWR. Of course, ST will never lead the sisters back to Catholic orthodoxy b/c they already have an orthodoxy that they believe ST helps them keep in place. I have never attended a meeting where ST is used and come out surprised to learn that ST led us to conclusion that wasn't assumed from the beginning by those who set the agenda.Fr. Philip Powell, OPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14970857401221305221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842286.post-48857830348119952322012-06-13T11:19:23.240-05:002012-06-13T11:19:23.240-05:00Invincible ignorance is a form of malice.Invincible ignorance is a form of malice.Fr. Philip Powell, OPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14970857401221305221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842286.post-83536766434083096942012-06-13T11:18:00.124-05:002012-06-13T11:18:00.124-05:00Any Catholic who publicly challenges the goofiness...Any Catholic who publicly challenges the goofiness of the LCWR or in any way suggests that something might be wrong is cast as a right-wing fruitcake, a patriarchal oppressor, and pre-Vatican Two throwback. With the MSM, the Catholic academy, chancery bureaucracies, a large percent of the clergy, and most religious "on their side," the LCWR-types are able to crush vocal opposition. Priests and religious who speak up about dissent, liturgical abuse, etc. can become pariahs in their own dioceses and congregations. Since promotions, assignments, etc. are usually doled out based on internal politics rather than actual merit or skills, playing the game is vital if you're someone who wants to do something other than spend your life saying Mass in a nursing home, or running a downtown chapel.Fr. Philip Powell, OPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14970857401221305221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842286.post-53611621832711475592012-06-13T11:11:04.795-05:002012-06-13T11:11:04.795-05:00Systems Thinking isn't thinking at all. It...Systems Thinking isn't thinking at all. It's a dressed method of coercion that forces the majority to adopt a minority position in order to reach consensus. Once the minority position is adopted, ST allows the minority to claim that the adopted position is the consensus and anyone who disagrees is dismissed as "out of step." Few rarely object b/c they are led to believe that they are the sole voice of dissent, thus their silence is assured. Basically, this is how a handful of radical feminists have taken over the leadership of women religious.Fr. Philip Powell, OPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14970857401221305221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842286.post-38391244418502123522012-06-13T06:21:57.276-05:002012-06-13T06:21:57.276-05:00Let's hope they drop the pretense and slug it ...Let's hope they drop the pretense and slug it out when they meet. Though I have some concern that decades of systems thinking and mission statement talking have left the LCWR leadership unable to... well, think or talk coherently. In which case, we'll have to count on decades of the episcopacy leaving Cardinal Levada able to act decisively.Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09534284662785499386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842286.post-15461248835886543982012-06-12T17:30:41.625-05:002012-06-12T17:30:41.625-05:00I don't know why the delicacy regarding the ot...I don't know why the delicacy regarding the other part of the equation is so pervasive - on many Catholic blogs, including the Patheos groups, and from bishops like this. It's not just the "mainstream media" that's pushing this narrative. It's liberal Catholics, many of whom are quite powerful. I sincerely doubt this LCWR action would have the attention it did were it not for Fr. James Martin, America Magazine, Commonweal and NCR. I don't understand why someone doesn't call them out.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842286.post-55538542329451534222012-06-12T17:22:33.053-05:002012-06-12T17:22:33.053-05:00Similar was the amazingly obtuse coverage in the H...Similar was the amazingly obtuse coverage in the Herald Tribune (the New York Times on vacation) of the pope's secretary situation. Somehow Tarcisio Cardinal Bertone was the victim of rightist movements like Communione e Liberazione and Opus Dei. No one ever mentioned that Berone is a Salesian, and that THEY might have a position somewhere as this gigantic Italian centrist order that (looks like it) wants to take over the world. There is no deciding between the ignorance and the malice of the media, is there?TheCrankyProfessorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15044204782286107779noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842286.post-44760900770381376582012-06-12T17:14:27.866-05:002012-06-12T17:14:27.866-05:00Tom, I think the CDF had to do something rather dr...Tom, I think the CDF had to do something rather dramatic to get the LCWR's attention. Polite letters, requests from individual bishops, etc. were ignored for years. Obviously, the LCWR was surprised that the Vatican finally "did something." I wish everyone would drop the pretense and just slug it out. All this diplomatic dancing around the real problem is going to produce a do-nothing solution.Fr. Philip Powell, OPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14970857401221305221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842286.post-89801638157263106902012-06-12T15:07:56.278-05:002012-06-12T15:07:56.278-05:00Disagreement, as Fr. Murray observed, is not an ea...Disagreement, as Fr. Murray observed, is not an easy thing to reach.<br /><br />Everyone (except those who watch CBS) knows the LCWR holds a negative and critical position vis-a-vis Church doctrine and discipline and the Church's teaching office. The CDF is pretending that the LCWR hasn't realized it yet, and the LCWR is pretending that the Vatican hates women. I'm not sure it's in either side's best short-term interest to stop pretending.Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09534284662785499386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842286.post-17063906644964562452012-06-12T13:31:14.805-05:002012-06-12T13:31:14.805-05:00So excited to see such a well-informed criticism o...So excited to see such a well-informed criticism of the media's coverage of the LCWR!!!Melissa H-Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03674140433439195917noreply@blogger.com