tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842286.post4475262684723184015..comments2024-02-26T09:30:54.111-06:00Comments on Domine, da mihi hanc aquam!: Another (failed) attempt to rescue God from the BibleFr. Philip Powell, OPhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14970857401221305221noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842286.post-65840738882230948452011-03-28T16:15:38.853-05:002011-03-28T16:15:38.853-05:00Tom, you are correct. . .my answer assumes that th...Tom, you are correct. . .my answer assumes that there is a "default destination" There may not be.Fr. Philip Powell, OPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14970857401221305221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842286.post-16802904090700722302011-03-28T16:09:28.366-05:002011-03-28T16:09:28.366-05:00Romulus, our "default destination" is pu...<i>Romulus, our "default destination" is purgatory.</i><br /><br />Then our default destination is heaven, since purgatory is not a destination but a "purification of the elect." (CCC 1031)<br /><br />As the previous paragraph says, "All who die in God's grace and friendship... are indeed assured of their eternal salvation." If the "default" is heaven with a stop first at purgatory, then all live in God's grace and friendship absent mortal sin, which as far as I can tell means the less said about original sin the better.Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09534284662785499386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842286.post-29650481769109261772011-03-27T20:44:16.562-05:002011-03-27T20:44:16.562-05:00Romulus, our "default destination" is pu...Romulus, our "default destination" is purgatory. Great idea, purgatory.<br /><br />Since it is God's will that we all return to Him and do so freely in love, then the choice to join Him must be conscious. The choice to reject Him must also be conscious. <br /><br />Purgatory is where we have the chance after death to get it right. Keep in mind though that mortal sin counts as a "conscious choice to reject God."Fr. Philip Powell, OPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14970857401221305221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842286.post-12938017963935785692011-03-25T15:03:27.551-05:002011-03-25T15:03:27.551-05:00I think universalism is one pole to which the prot...I think universalism is one pole to which the protestant doctrine of Sola Fide (Faith Alone) leads -- the other being Calvinist predestination. If salvation ultimately only depends on God's gratuitous gift (apart from man's free cooperation) then either (1) God arbitrarily saves some (and damns others) regardless of their actions (= Calvinist predestination), or (2) God arbitrarily saves everyone (and damns no one) regardless of their actions (= universalism). Both are based on a fundamental rejection of human freedom, or at least the efficacy of the (graced) free choice to love God to bring about sanctification. (There is some nominalism in there for good measure.) Yes, protestants should become Catholic to avoid where the rejection of the Church in their theology inevitably leads them.Joe Mageenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842286.post-49727009582501051742011-03-25T10:53:08.785-05:002011-03-25T10:53:08.785-05:00Here's what's been bugging me: Heaven is t...Here's what's been bugging me: Heaven is the result of a conscious choice. Hell is the result of a conscious choice. Do I have this right? <br /><br />So what is our "default" destination? It can't be heaven, or why would God have sent a Savior? If it's hell, how does this square with the notion that the damned must be guilty of a conscious choice to turn away from God? <br /><br />What am I missing here? Can you unpack this for me?<br /><br />RomulusAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com