tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842286.post434971673710186101..comments2024-02-26T09:30:54.111-06:00Comments on Domine, da mihi hanc aquam!: Christ, human and divine (UPDATED)Fr. Philip Powell, OPhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14970857401221305221noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842286.post-60599238197800138652009-03-03T10:34:00.000-06:002009-03-03T10:34:00.000-06:00If Christ did throw a tantrum, it would have to ha...If Christ did throw a tantrum, it would have to have been one without sin, proceeding merely from human weakness common to man. Am I understanding the Catholic Christological Answer position?<BR/><BR/>I was telling my 11 and 9 year old sons about the Hypostatic Union. This would have been a good way to bring it home to them.<BR/><BR/>If a rigorous Catholic philosopher of the Thomistic school were asked to consider whether or not, and in what cases, a temper tantrum is or is not a sin, in a young child of a certain age (let us say, three years old) how would he or she reply?<BR/><BR/>I know for certain that I would enjoy the thoroughness with which that philosopher would happily trace the bifurcated paths where this and that, and the other thing, and drawing on several other concepts that would be a complete surprise to me, would at last emerge, with a question that would be a reasonable answer. The short form of that answer could be distilled down to: "We can't be sure unless we know a lot more about this situation than the bare sketch we have been provided."<BR/><BR/>WarrenWarrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04053407632823479165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842286.post-64572056874510214782009-01-06T07:37:00.000-06:002009-01-06T07:37:00.000-06:00I have always thought of the nature of Christ as a...I have always thought of the nature of Christ as answering the "what" he is human & God. Likewise the "person" of Christ would be the who, God. So it puzzles me, since the person is the one acting not the nature, that Christ would have a tantrum.<BR/><BR/>Thank you for the book recommendations. I hope to be able to check them out.<BR/>If anything I write is in the least way heretical please correct me.<BR/><BR/>I am just a simple mom trying to learn more.<BR/><BR/>God BlesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842286.post-11911171725729333082009-01-06T05:37:00.000-06:002009-01-06T05:37:00.000-06:00I'm gonna weigh in with FTwell said!!I'm gonna weigh in with FT<BR/><BR/>well said!!MightyMomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02563721884001643857noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842286.post-42647667749451707392009-01-05T23:29:00.000-06:002009-01-05T23:29:00.000-06:00I suppose he'd have tantrums just like any kid... ...I suppose he'd have tantrums just like any kid... but he'd cut it out when his mother told him to :).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842286.post-34922682793075265782009-01-05T22:06:00.000-06:002009-01-05T22:06:00.000-06:00"it was fitting that Christ should take upon himse..."it was fitting that Christ should take upon himself all those penalties of the sin of Adam that are common to man <B>and becoming, or at least not unbecoming to the Hypostatic Union</B>"<BR/><BR/>Let's be clear: Christ was sinless. Right? So while He felt all the temptations common to all men (does that mean He had concupiscence?), He never would have broken the commandment to honor His father and mother (or to covet His neighbor's goods, or whatever). So the child Jesus couldn't have thrown temper tantrums of any significance. Or does that sort of thing not count as sin before a certain age?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842286.post-41680725709943576472009-01-05T21:37:00.000-06:002009-01-05T21:37:00.000-06:00Opey, First, I have to say how pleased and proud a...Opey, <BR/><BR/>First, I have to say how pleased and proud and somewhat awestruck that you are thinking about these seriously. Most Catholics would shrug and call for the next bingo number!<BR/><BR/>So, good job!<BR/><BR/>From the beginning of the conversation...at least my first remark...the question has been whether or Jesus, as a child, would throw a fit in the market. <BR/><BR/>It's clear you understand THAT Jesus is one person with two natures, but I'm not so clear that the you understand HOW he is one person with two natures. The difficult part here is the part I've bolded and highlighted in the first paragraph. The author of the article is very careful to make sure we understand that the 2nd Person of the Trinity assumed into a God-Man every flaw, sin, defect, etc. common to all non God-Man human beings. <BR/><BR/>Why do we need to say this? The Patristic tradition holds that everything human that Christ assumed in this person has been healed by that assumption. So, if it has been healed in humanity, it is b/c Christ assumed it in his person.Fr. Philip Powell, OPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14970857401221305221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842286.post-49233251236594750262009-01-05T16:24:00.000-06:002009-01-05T16:24:00.000-06:00I really do not see how my viewing that Christ wou...I really do not see how my viewing that Christ would not have tantrums is out of line with what you quoted. Because I have never denied that he wasn't subject to being tired, hungry, etc. But I do hold that he is a perfect man (as is stated), and with that, hold the belief that where we have defects in our wills and intellect he would not. All the while being truly Man and truly God always acting in complete unison with the the Trinity. Now, that is a blessed Mystery.<BR/><BR/>Thank you.<BR/><BR/>God bless you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com