tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842286.post2772450963263140611..comments2024-02-26T09:30:54.111-06:00Comments on Domine, da mihi hanc aquam!: Catholics are too stupid to get itFr. Philip Powell, OPhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14970857401221305221noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842286.post-75915508735213533492009-10-30T06:12:52.606-05:002009-10-30T06:12:52.606-05:00"The vast majority of God's people in the..."The vast majority of God's people in the assembly are not familiar with words of the new missal like 'ineffable,' 'consubstantial,' 'incarnate,' 'inviolate,' 'oblation,' 'ignominy,' 'precursor,' 'suffused' and 'unvanquished.' The vocabulary is not readily understandable by the average Catholic," Bishop Trautman said.<br /><br />Can anyone say 'Dictionary'? I spent a lot of time around some pretty smart adults while growing up. One day they became impatient with my constant asking after the meaning of certain words. They told me to get a dictionary. I mowed 3 lawns, then mom took me downtown so I could buy one. I wore it out in less than 2 years. My latest one is worn out, and in two pieces. I'm going to head off to the used book store and find another. I prefer the older ones, as they have words that aren't used much these days.Billiamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15489132492383133253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842286.post-54034664513269319592009-10-30T01:14:39.434-05:002009-10-30T01:14:39.434-05:00Cam - just want to say that I wholeheartedly agree...Cam - just want to say that I wholeheartedly agree with your comments. Contemporary catechetical efforts are breathtakingly and disappointingly simplified. This is first of all an insult to the intelligence, interest, and discipline of the average Catholic, whatever his age may be. The truth is that your run-of-the-mill Catholic is absolutely capable of the fascination, devotion, and disciplined study that would spur him to excel in his exploration of our magnificent Tradition. Some arrogant fools seem to think the rest of us are a lot of uninspired idiots. Besides this, we really should have more respect for ourselves, our Church, and our Master than to tolerate to half-baked catechetical programs. I think we are corporately culpable for our laxity in this regard.<br /><br />Moreover, this is a terrible time to offer our neophytes catechetical fluff. At a time when the secular world is attacking on all sides the credibility of religious belief, why would we fail to show our catechumens the profundity, mystery, and beauty of our Faith? Why would we fail to show them how our Faith synthesizes so many spheres of inquiry? Why would we fail to show them that, contrary to the empty claims of the secular culture, religious belief, particularly Catholic religious belief, is indeed respectable and worthwhile? This is not the time to screw this thing up! <br /><br />This topic of catechesis strikes me as critical, as it involves things like - well, gee, let's see, here - the quality and depth of the relationship of each believer with God and His Church; the ability of each believer to assist in the task of building the Kingdom of God; and the commission to spread the Good News. We ought to be catechetically on point in every age and place. I just cannot comprehend why we would fail to firmly establish a strong, consistent, and rigorous tradition of religious education.<br /><br />The situation reminds me of my cousin, who recently (and frighteningly) contracted the swine flu. He was whining to my Aunt Nancy that he didn't feel like drinking water, which of course he constantly needs to do to thwart the illness. My grandmother said, "Well, what are we going to do, force a funnel down his throat?" Nancy opposed this sentiment and, God bless her, made my cousin read a recent article about a young girl who died three days after she was diagnosed with swine flu. Patrick hasn't stopped drinking water since. Thank God! And I think we're in a similar situation: we are like Patrick in the sense that we don't get that we're facing something serious - ultimately, the forces of Hell. We, like Patrick, need helping getting it. And we, like Patrick, need to start drinking our water. Hell can never vanquish Christ's Church, but it claims souls every day.<br /><br />I hope my lengthy post doesn't put anybody off - Cam mentioned a subject that's always sure to put me on a rant!red_horizon0127https://www.blogger.com/profile/05333871014217027441noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842286.post-20636286581876931662009-10-29T22:53:40.554-05:002009-10-29T22:53:40.554-05:00Monika, yes, lots of changes...the 1970 trans tend...Monika, yes, lots of changes...the 1970 trans tends to eliminate superlative address, so, e.g. "Our Most Holy and Blessed Lord" becomes "Lord." <br /><br />The 70 trans tends to downplay our dependence on God, making some of the prayers sound Pelagian. The new trans does a better job of keeping humility front and center. <br /><br />That's just a few!Fr. Philip Powell, OPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14970857401221305221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842286.post-34452369795562031532009-10-29T21:02:39.337-05:002009-10-29T21:02:39.337-05:00Fr. Philip, since you've seen the new translat...Fr. Philip, since you've seen the new translation, I have to ask.<br /><br />Were there major changes to the wording of the Creed besides changing "we" to "I"?<br /><br />I had thought not but discussion with family members is making me wonder.<br /><br />Thanks!<br /><br />MonikaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842286.post-9095247243187937862009-10-29T20:22:02.482-05:002009-10-29T20:22:02.482-05:00"Words are the source of misunderstanding&quo..."Words are the source of misunderstanding" - the FOX, Le Petit Princetizocnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842286.post-87693630635777809152009-10-28T09:31:53.175-05:002009-10-28T09:31:53.175-05:00When I was in RCIA a few years back I remember fin...When I was in RCIA a few years back I remember finding it very off putting that so much of what we were presented with seemed to be "dumbed down" so that there was no possible way anyone over the age of 4 could miss the point (I think the claim was that it was actually 7th grade level, but I think most seventh graders could give the definition of the word "temptation" and that was one that they seemed to think would be over our heads). <br /><br />The Bishop doesn't seem to understand that people learn new words by hearing them and finding out what they mean!Cammie Dianehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07137080807945525006noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842286.post-9712064652473191662009-10-28T06:26:48.793-05:002009-10-28T06:26:48.793-05:00About the new translation... could I be so bold as...About the new translation... could I be so bold as to plug my book on the subject? It's a mystagogical catechesis on the Mass, using the new translation as its starting point.<br /><br />I'd even be happy to send a free copy your way, Fr. Philip, since you're always begging for stuff anyway! ;)<br /><br /><b>www.PrayingTheMass.com</b>Jeffrey Pinyanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08758581112217835988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842286.post-59139530583584232672009-10-28T06:07:24.817-05:002009-10-28T06:07:24.817-05:00Traduttore, traditore.Traduttore, traditore.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842286.post-91614300275406053342009-10-28T04:24:43.333-05:002009-10-28T04:24:43.333-05:00I wish we'd stop TALKING about the new transla...I wish we'd stop TALKING about the new translation and get on with making the change and go forward.<br /><br />as it is my poor autistic 5 yr old says a mixed up version of the creed at rosaries every night because he's confusing the "rosary" creed with the "Mass" creed. (creed = affirmation of faith..."I believe in God..") <br /><br />for example. What's the next line after "He will come again to judge the living and the dead"<br /><br />All those words that are mentioned in this post will require much teaching to youngun's....but so does every third or 4th word in our prayers now so get on with it.MightyMomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02563721884001643857noreply@blogger.com