tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842286.post6229717827333972604..comments2024-02-26T09:30:54.111-06:00Comments on Domine, da mihi hanc aquam!: Therapeutic Culture Kills the SoulFr. Philip Powell, OPhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14970857401221305221noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842286.post-63034068867128339502014-05-30T09:22:31.593-05:002014-05-30T09:22:31.593-05:00Anon., that all makes sense. There's got to me...Anon., that all makes sense. There's got to me more $$$ in treating neurotics than in directing flawed characters back to virtue. I worked for a number of yrs. in an adol. psych hospital. Our chief head-shrinker followed the "object-relations" school of treatment for BPD pts. It worked well. . .but slowly. Unfortunately, only in-pt tx makes O-R tx possible. Fr. Philip Powell, OPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14970857401221305221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842286.post-32879415696744336472014-05-30T09:19:24.801-05:002014-05-30T09:19:24.801-05:00Excellent! Thanks, MFT. My years working with sexu...Excellent! Thanks, MFT. My years working with sexually abused border personality disordered teens prepared me for a lot of what I see in dysfunctional religious life. . .not religious life as a whole. . .just dysfunctional rel. life. Fr. Philip Powell, OPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14970857401221305221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842286.post-43621344253753127682014-05-30T09:02:17.647-05:002014-05-30T09:02:17.647-05:00Fr., regarding the subject brought up by Anon, do ...Fr., regarding the subject brought up by Anon, do you know <a href="http://www.manipulative-people.com/" rel="nofollow">this site</a>?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842286.post-26877340257483165142014-05-30T06:09:32.741-05:002014-05-30T06:09:32.741-05:00One who has been trying to change it was Dr. Simon...One who has been trying to change it was Dr. Simon. He dealt with mostly criminals in a prison setting and tried to expose the model they were supposed to use was for neurotics not character disturbed individuals. Although some things could co-exist at the same time (a disturbed character could have been a victim at one time) it was denying the obvious that they knew what they were doing and liked it. There was not much to help them become non repeaters as they were not being treated correctly. This loosely goes over into normal psy help also. His theory, with the current climate we live in, morals being flushed daily, the rise of character disturbed people will increase and the models set up will do no good in helping the person/people involved.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842286.post-54782089587483093782014-05-30T05:08:16.310-05:002014-05-30T05:08:16.310-05:00Anon, tell us more about the current model being s...Anon, tell us more about the current model being set up to treat neurotics. . .I've never heard that before. Thanks.Fr. Philip Powell, OPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14970857401221305221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842286.post-47634055227052487122014-05-29T21:20:06.617-05:002014-05-29T21:20:06.617-05:00AH! You are one of the few that recognize that ch...AH! You are one of the few that recognize that character can be disordered! And a moral problem!<br />But a spa wouldn't treat that very well. But you are not the only one bemoaning the way the psy field has gone down the drains. The current model to treat people is set up for neurotics and that doesn't bode well for those who are not neurotic!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842286.post-49787228295960746202014-05-29T11:01:33.005-05:002014-05-29T11:01:33.005-05:00Of course there are legit organic/psychological pr...Of course there are legit organic/psychological problems that have to be handled medically. . .my problem is with the tendency to treat moral/character problems therapeutically. Fr. Philip Powell, OPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14970857401221305221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842286.post-78960234067175822042014-05-29T07:43:43.957-05:002014-05-29T07:43:43.957-05:00(singing) Everybody loves me baby, whatsa matter w...(singing) Everybody loves me baby, whatsa matter wit chew?<br />Do you have the option of asking for a different method for treating whatever ailment/problem a priest/religious is having?<br />It would be hard for me having done something wrong, turning down a spa! I would wonder if they were trying to trick me...<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842286.post-43253797316379200042014-05-28T13:57:08.950-05:002014-05-28T13:57:08.950-05:00Manufactured "rites of passage" stand to...Manufactured "rites of passage" stand to do nothing, and at another extreme may cause some harm. In a society that needs real men, dropping an adolescent in the wilderness with a knife, a loincloth, and a task serves to show both the society and the individual male the seriousness behind being called a man and taking that place in society. We need rituals, we need the sacred - but, really, drumming retreats for the primitive male soul?? And I thought it was only the people out here in the PNW who had retreats encouraging such nonsense. The New Age mentality is so "normal" out here that it is challenging to find a priest who thinks there is anything wrong with it and quite normal to find homilies riddled with it. So it moves from the priests and religious down to the people - and people become so accustomed to being validated that when someone finally speaks the Truth, they cry "foul!" It is potentially a very big problem. <br /><br />And, yes, I do think the pervasiveness of this mentality will easily produce more and more like Elliot Rodgers.Shellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05485793986602894527noreply@blogger.com