tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842286.post26559036121165212..comments2024-02-26T09:30:54.111-06:00Comments on Domine, da mihi hanc aquam!: The Liturgical Revolution: failure and collapseFr. Philip Powell, OPhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14970857401221305221noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842286.post-21478879230676756562015-04-10T07:33:28.866-05:002015-04-10T07:33:28.866-05:00If I may play Bugnini's Advocate, many of thes...If I may play Bugnini's Advocate, many of these suggestions seem to be a matter of a priest imposing his own liturgical sensibilities on a parish. I don't object to any of the sensibilities as such -- and what rational mind can object to changing out missalettes -- nor of the right (all else being equal) of a priest to adopt them. I would object if they were imposed in either the "my way or the highway" style of "Rebuilt" or a manner that connotes second class status to those who don't share the priest's sensibilities -- say, Catholics who receive the Eucharist in the hand.<br /><br />I can see how a kneeler could be something of a stumbling block, and not just in the literal sense. A typical parish might have a handful of people who kneel for Communion without a kneeler, and some number more who would kneel if there were one, as well as people who will kneel if it's clear that Father thinks it's the best way to receive (i.e., out of reverence for the priest, not the Sacrament), people who don't much care what Father thinks (these are my people), people who won't much notice one way or another, and people who are outraged at every perceived attempt to turn back the clock to 1955. If adult Catholics were predominantly grown-ups, a kneeler could be put out and used by people who want to use it, without any fuss. It's not so straightforward in the real world.Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09534284662785499386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842286.post-6308027319781129652015-04-07T10:34:26.716-05:002015-04-07T10:34:26.716-05:00Yep happened to me. Complaint about no more extra...Yep happened to me. Complaint about no more extra hosts in communion line for homebound. (We have volunteers for that). Complaint about my preaching defending marriage. Complaint about new hymnals. The bishop was knocking down my door. This after he gave every priest the book "Rebuilt" where the pastor basically bulldozed over people to implement the Church he thought best. I thought the method in Rebulit was good but the goals subjective. Where my bishop liked the goals in Rebuilt but thought the pastor was not very pastoral. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842286.post-78972047683373197022015-04-07T08:17:49.648-05:002015-04-07T08:17:49.648-05:00Jon's post has some problems that I would resp...Jon's post has some problems that I would respectfully point out.<br />1) Praying the Roman Canon and using the first form of the Penitential Rite are always available, true.<br />2) Putting a kneeler out for people to use at communion is fine, unless the bishop tells him to remove it, as ours did in another parish.<br />3) Praying canon quieter, fine.<br />4) ad orientem liturgy (I did 3 years of catechesis, but then I'm probably not a good catechist) Is fine until the bishop tells you to stop because it's "against the law."<br />5) Given the present discipline, it is the communicant, not the priest, who decides whether to receive on the tongue or in the hand. I don't see how changing that is possible.<br />6) Missal-ettes are truly the bane of worship, and I get rid of them whenever I can.<br />7) Altar boys only would be good, except in a parish like mine in which there are only 3 boys.<br />8) And you can offer the EF Mass w/o any catechesis right now. I've been doing it every weekend for the past 4 years. It took on at my previous parish. Here, not so much.Father Gregoryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06780819473061582998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842286.post-19095891345739345752015-04-06T21:22:11.635-05:002015-04-06T21:22:11.635-05:00Too much old school Latin was the cry after Sanctu...Too much old school Latin was the cry after Sanctus along with Agnus Dei was used during Lent. Our Deacon suggested the parish council write a mission statement clarifying the direction the parish council would like our little mission church to go. What points would you make to start with Father? I printed out your post so I could share with like-minded council members. <br />Thank you very much,<br />TerryTerryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08905366491370539130noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842286.post-21886235113430617292015-04-06T16:37:34.301-05:002015-04-06T16:37:34.301-05:00Fr. Philip is unfortunately correct. I go to a tra...Fr. Philip is unfortunately correct. I go to a traditional type parish run by Dominicans and if there is the slightest hint of changing out the stuff we have kept there is almost a riot. A few years ago the altar rail was TEMPORARILY removed to allow the installation of a gate. The pastor had to put in the bulletin in all caps THE ALTAR RAIL IS NOT BEING REMOVED!!!!!!! And people still were uneasy. Probably because they know how quickly things can fall over the cliff.<br /><br />And despite our supposed traditionalism the priests and the people are both very resistant to the TLM even though when a Dominican rite Mass is held here there is a "packed house." Though some are visitors from the TLM parish down the street of course.<br /><br />There is traditionalism and there is traditionalism I guess.Banjo pickin girlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06493740689193609149noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842286.post-7610894544989188932015-04-06T09:23:33.218-05:002015-04-06T09:23:33.218-05:00Easier said than done. Howls of protest. . .sexism...Easier said than done. Howls of protest. . .sexism, throwback, "turning back the clock on Vatican Two," exclusionary, rigid, authoritarian. . .the bishop will be on his case after the second email.Fr. Philip Powell, OPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14970857401221305221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842286.post-30730982492559823632015-04-06T07:52:18.836-05:002015-04-06T07:52:18.836-05:00Father,
Make It So.
By tomorrow, a priest can op...Father,<br /><br />Make It So.<br /><br />By tomorrow, a priest can opt to exclusively use the Confiteor and Roman Canon. By tomorrow he can place a pray dieu in front of him while distributing Holy Communion for those who wish to kneel. By tomorrow he can continue what was probably his Lenten practice of the praying the Sanctus and Agnus Dei in Latin.<br /><br />By tomorrow, he pray the Canon in a quieter, more reverent tone.<br /><br />Three Sundays from now, after two Sundays of catechesis, he can begin offering Mass from the Preface to the Great Amen ad orientem.<br /><br />A month from now, after four Sundays of catechesis, he can begin distributing Holy Communion almost exclusively on the tongue.<br /><br />Two months from now, he can change out all the missalettes in the church for a traditional hymnal.<br /><br />By the first Sunday of Advent, after constant explanation, he can eliminate or confine the use of altar girls and Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion.<br /><br />In six months, he can begin offering the Extraordinary Form at least once a week.<br /><br />Make It So.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com