tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842286.post2425130875572293710..comments2024-02-26T09:30:54.111-06:00Comments on Domine, da mihi hanc aquam!: "Men who are not ambitious, who are married to one church. . ."Fr. Philip Powell, OPhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14970857401221305221noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842286.post-59243969930743886312013-08-01T06:53:36.762-05:002013-08-01T06:53:36.762-05:00Is it the ideal situation, or is it the normative ...Is it the ideal situation, or is it the normative situation that Church governance has fallen away from?<br /><br />As for Los Angeles, in near-perfect ignorance of the complexity of the problem, I'll say that a priest born and raised in Los Angeles would have the experience necessary to run the Archdiocese if he also has the necessary episcopal charisms. (But then, I also have naive thoughts on the silliness (or non-normativity) of a diocese the size of Los Angeles.)Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09534284662785499386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842286.post-5450684604019011362013-07-31T07:16:32.828-05:002013-07-31T07:16:32.828-05:00Tom, I think we're talking Ideal Situation her...Tom, I think we're talking Ideal Situation here; that is, the I.S. is for each bishop to be married to his diocese. Of course, the first problem is: the Archdiocese of Los Angeles require a more experienced hand than does the Diocese of Jackson, MS. How does a bishop get the experience necessary to run L.A. if L.A is his first "marriage"? Fr. Philip Powell, OPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14970857401221305221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842286.post-48445081099224139482013-07-30T12:49:50.209-05:002013-07-30T12:49:50.209-05:00Can the Pope push to end careerism while continuin...Can the Pope push to end careerism while continuing the practice of advancing bishops from see to shinier see? Can he say he wants bishops who are married to one church, and then move them to another?<br /><br />Well, he *can* of course. I wonder whether he will. Tomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09534284662785499386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842286.post-61385846208997393752013-07-30T12:07:02.140-05:002013-07-30T12:07:02.140-05:00Quite a noble job... ;)Quite a noble job... ;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842286.post-44289254186969987412013-07-30T11:06:32.794-05:002013-07-30T11:06:32.794-05:00That's me: Ruiner of Illusions.That's me: Ruiner of Illusions.Fr. Philip Powell, OPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14970857401221305221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842286.post-74178052943158568562013-07-30T10:55:24.995-05:002013-07-30T10:55:24.995-05:00Now why did you have to go and ruin my idealistic ...Now why did you have to go and ruin my idealistic view of all you OP's, and OCD's, etc...? ;-) <br /><br />I meant as a viewer from the pews, the local careerism is less pronounced in those religious I have encountered. Surely behind the scenes it can be a different story. Shellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05485793986602894527noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842286.post-80629872759880731612013-07-30T10:47:26.356-05:002013-07-30T10:47:26.356-05:00Religious have their own version of careerism. It&...Religious have their own version of careerism. It's less pronounced among OP's b/c we elect our leaders for fixed terms. But the temptation to be the Power Behind the Throne is still there. Cliques are infamous in religious life, a natural tendency for like to attract like and these cause a great deal of trouble for those in the "out group." Fr. Philip Powell, OPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14970857401221305221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842286.post-9076903774585858262013-07-30T09:23:09.405-05:002013-07-30T09:23:09.405-05:00It just occurred to me that the lack of "care...It just occurred to me that the lack of "careerism" is one reason the Religious priests I know out here are very willing to "say it like it is" - their eye is not focused on the next step in their career, but rather on the spiritual health of their flock (which thankfully for me, extends beyond the borders of their parish!). And also, the young barely out of seminary priests I know are still full of that idealistic zeal which is all too quickly tempered by a concern for "popularity" and "not rocking the boat." <br /><br />We do seem to have a good, Pastoral Bishop here, for which I am thankful. Hopefully his priests will learn from and follow his excellent example.Shellyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05485793986602894527noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842286.post-75972809536497721492013-07-30T08:51:35.656-05:002013-07-30T08:51:35.656-05:00Yes, I know. But calling it South America's US...Yes, I know. But calling it South America's USCCB is the closest I could get for my US readers.Fr. Philip Powell, OPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14970857401221305221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18842286.post-39933986806243430562013-07-30T07:47:21.147-05:002013-07-30T07:47:21.147-05:00Fr., CELAM is not exactly "South America'...Fr., CELAM is not exactly "<i>South America's USCCB"</i>, being a council of the 22 Latin american and caribbean episcopal conferences, or so says <a href="http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conselho_Episcopal_Latino-Americano" rel="nofollow">Wikipedia</a> (I couldn't find that information on the English page)...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com